The need for such men is apparent. Thanks for confirming the authenticity of the content, Dallas. I pray that God will continue to use you to shine a spotlight on wicked works of darkness in Christendom today. A shepherd does not own the sheep, but a hireling, responsible to the true owner for seeing after them, protecting them, helping them to make their way to new pastures and safe water when the old become bare. Their influence will spread exponentially once decentralized. That is such a terrible alternative that its not hard to imagine that people could be willing to engage in all kinds of objectively evil things sin in order to avert that outcome. Someone should also dig into the incident regarding the video of Mel Gibsons Passion of the Christ that was shown to HCA ELEMENTARY school children without any warning or notice to parents in the first year of the schools history during Holy Week. Sadly, it is not uncommon to find that in time of great loss, the church is not really there for them after all, that in case of health problems that make one unable to serve, they are quickly forgotten, that the great majority of those friendships have a tendency to evaporate or even turn to shunning if put to the test; that it was all a grand illusion, after all the time, effort and loyalty invested. There is also this interesting statement by Ignatuius (martyred in 108 AD): LET EVERYONE REVERE THE DEACONS AS JESUS CHRIST, THE BISHOP AS THE IMAGE OF THE FATHER, AND THE PRESBYTERS AS THE SENATE OF GOD AND THE ASSEMBLY OF THE APOSTLES. Yikes! Trust me, youre not. Dont ever feel like your input here is ever wasted. of good behaviour Another typo I meant Peter and Paul. incur Gods wrath, I have yet to find any kind of human organization that has not found a way to run amok. So this ole guy is here until the Lord moves me along or my comments stop making sense (please tell me if they do). Truth is real. Who knows? One can only guess at the motive behind their inaction, but even with the most basic discernment skills one could easily surmise that the money train was at the heart. And not many have truly repented I think. Have seen the exact same thing. Harvest Bible Chapel issued a statement today: Pastor James MacDonald came upon a sleeping bear while walking in the back yard of his modest home today. This cancer is about to metastasize across the U.S. and ALL of the dirt needs to be made public for the safety and spiritual well-being of the masses. Regarding the tragic murder of that bear, I wouldnt be too rough on JMac perhaps he was using that as a witness to draw in rough boys from the streets of Chicago. When I did see it, in my home, I was livid that they essentially forced people to go. in the interest of understanding, can you explain what you mean by grace? Yowzers, you have me stumped. Movies Popular Now Playing Upcoming Top Rated TV Shows Popular Airing Today On TV Top Rated People Im told love covers over a multitude of sins. Churches that are run like cults do not encourage true friendships. Fred not only took out debt to fund new purchases, he took out additional debt on already encumbered buildings. TS00: Truth was genetically modified centuries ago. There does seem to be something in Dallass attitude of a disregard for those who donated the hundreds of millions to make the whole Harvest phenomenon work. We were seated in the folding chairs with our children, had 6 at the time, the oldest 11, the youngest 2. From all the people I know in those churches, I think thats exactly what happens! No. No more law-keeping. Children were crying, looking around with fear on their faces, teachers were trying to physically comfort some by embracing them, and even removed some children. As our leaders prayed and sought to plant churches in the city of Chicago, a small congregation with a struggling church in Niles was looking for new life. Here are four things you should know about The Chosen: Photo courtesy: VidAngel. What are sheep to do? Harvest Christian Academy currently has more than 500 students, more than 60 staff members, and continues to move forward with a high leadership focus. No more Moses behind a veil. And I doubt it was simply losing their job, as many of them voluntarily left. Frankly, your only decent, reasonable response here shouldve been to say to the public as represented on TWW: Sorry, guys, I shouldve made this public sooner. and when he first committed to downsizing, I told him not to do it, that he didnt need to.. But, I aint Paul, so I suppose I will just have to wait and see how this sorts itself out in eternity. of seeing the beauty of the kindness of strangers, the beauty of love and faithfulness, of integrity at personal cost demonstrated by human beings everywhere. I have personally seen that place and I want no one to go there. Agreed. Or get your own blog and allow comments to your hearts content. That, in my humble, fallible opinion, explains much of the evil that has taken place in this world. blameless Our musicians have taken to heart the mission, core, and purpose of Vertical Church music: To write songs of ascription for the church to use in worshiping Christ around the world. CJ Mahaney spread $$$ which brought him years of support from the Calvinista leaders. I guess its all a matter of perspective. Makes me sad to think its so. Dallas Jenkins (born July 25, 1975) is an American film and television director, writer and film producer. The entire video was not shown just the scourging of Christ, but it was enough to act as a wildfire of shock, dismay, and for some of the youngest, I would go so far as to say trauma. Churchgoers in 21st century America are just too gullible to keep these folks out of the pulpit. TS00: I dont see how you could get any further from the mark in your comment. We were in a panic, didnt have enough hands to scramble around and cover all their eyes, which, up to this point, had been quite innocent. Although, in a few places in Scripture he paused to advise us that he was speaking about a matter offering his opinion rather than what God was saying. they also have worthy things to say which others benefit from. Revamping the financial transparency laws for 501-c3 religious entities would be a good start. Posted on September 7, 1997 by admin Unless it was a danger to someone. And I think (as an atheist heathen) that what people really need is community, not so much the religious stuff. Forgive MacDonald if he genuinely repents? Being a first-world country has its pitfalls on several fronts not least of which is being able to find a real-deal Church of the Living God. Hundreds of thousands of innocent Christians will be abused UNLESS men and women of integrity stand up and shine the light of truth on Harvest Bible Chapels dirty deeds done in darkness. At Harvest Kids, we love teaching Gods Word. We can all agree that negative public discourse about a specific person or church is rarely good., thousands have been saved, and no one wants to see a vibrant church be harmed.. That clearly does not describe James MacDonald and HBC elders who are coming forth one at a time to confess their roles in the great deception in Chicago. mostly because God doesnt need professional christians and their institution in the first place.. Peter wrote, Shepherd the flock of God which is among you Paul said, take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers The number of bishops is always plural, but the jurisdiction of these overseers is singular. If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. His newest outreach into the community is that he will be partnering with a music minister from another local church and they are starting a church service in a bar on Sunday evenings. Clement may be writing as if those offices are an established fact, but for all we know, they could have been set up a few years previously as an organizational attempt and they were used to it. If the elders are in place primarily because they are buds of the pastor (yes-men), wealthy, prominent in the community, popular in the church but do not meet the Biblical qualifications to serve in that sacred office if there is no evidence in their lives of being filled with the Holy Spirit and being above reproach then you have a Harvest Bible Chapel or Willow Creek mess waiting to happen, regardless of the size of the ministry. For you, maybe, but not for most here. I will be praying for you. Locations in Dallas, Houston, Washington, DC, or 100% Online! 20 years for me. As Max has said, its hard to see how the institutions recover from this. I am not on Twitter myself, but I have been following others, like you. 7,646 were here. (although unnecessary according to ECFA standards).. the powerbrokers have everyone brainwashed that the insitution is too big to fail. Does anyone here think Dallas wouldnt have delighted in pointing out a series of lies being told about Harvest leaders and defending himself? The Niles Campus became our third location in 2004. They were still arguing about who would be 2nd-in-command to Jesus the very night before Jesus death, and even after the resurrection (Acts 1) they were still wondering when the visible kingdom would be inaugurated. In a Good Way. And you sound profoundly arrogant. Surely some student got it on their phone. How does he know that? You participated in making what is now a public mockery (an absurd misrepresentation) of the holy the gospel of Jesus Christ. ex HCA Staff: Someone should also dig into the incident regarding the video of Mel Gibsons Passion of the Christ that was shown to HCA ELEMENTARY school children without any warning or notice to parents in the first year of the schools history during Holy Week. Jeff Chalmers In 2001, the Crystal Lake Campus began as the second Harvest church plant then transitioned to a campus, officially launching on September 1, 2007. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. Max: TS00: Or would they even care? What church does Dallas Jenkins attend? This all happens when we gather, grow and go together as followers of Jesus. Sandy: In the history of the church, which is most seductive: money, sex, or power? There is little question in my mind that James MacDonald will flip the bird at Harvest Bible Chapel and start a new church enterprise quicker than you can say leather jacket. What MacDonald has done must be documented, not only for the education of his next set of *followers* but for posterity. His LLC scheme was dreamed up because James announced that no new debt would be taken on until the $43M in debt was paid off in full. Trust (Cambridge Dictionary): to believe that someone is good and honest and will not harm you, or that something is safe and reliable. Dont think our former pastors quite there. It certainly didnt protect anyone. Who started Harvest Bible Chapel? When the Elders terminated James, the named only three sins (abuse, domineering behavior, and inappropriate language) that did not reflect the entirety of the content between all of the statements. ex HCA Staff: Im holding out hope that my faith in God will survive, but truth be told, some days that seems uncertain. The harm is already done. Dallas Jenkins: There have been many people demanding our statements be made public, and now that they are, are rejoicing in that, 1 Corinthians 13:6 Our former pastor was not only being paid far more than the community and congregational average, we were always showering them with paid vacations, new clothing for the kids and cash gifts. 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